Jen Lilley’s Powerful Bulimia Recovery Story: Faith, Eating Disorders, and Finding Freedom

Title: Jen Lilley’s Powerful Bulimia Recovery Story: Faith, Eating Disorders, and Finding Freedom 

Podcast Date: January 27, 2026

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In this incredibly raw and hope-filled episode, actress Jen Lilley (Hallmark Channel, Great American Family, Days of Our Lives, The Artist) sits down with host Heather Creekmore to share the full story behind her 15-year battle with bulimia—and how faith, grace, and the power of honesty led her toward freedom.

You may know Jen Lilley from her cheerful Christmas movies and bubbly TV roles, but behind the scenes, she silently struggled for years with an eating disorder. In this conversation, she doesn't hold anything back. Jen bravely walks us through her childhood, the devastating origins of her eating disorder, and the shame-filled secrecy that followed her well into adulthood—even after launching a successful career in Hollywood.

But this is not just a story about struggle—it's about healing and truth. Jen opens up about the flawed advice and myths she encountered about eating disorders, the power of spiritual conviction over mere willpower, and the crucial turning point when she allowed herself to trust God fully with her recovery. She shares the deeply personal moment she finally brought her struggle into the light with her husband—and how that act of vulnerability ushered in a new season of hope and healing.

Listeners struggling with their own cycles of shame, secrecy, or body-image battles will find comfort, challenge, and encouragement in Jen's passionate, faith-filled story. This episode also explores practical wisdom for those walking through recovery, the essential difference between conviction and shame, and how to trust God even when it feels impossible.

If you’re ready for a conversation packed with honesty, grace, and actionable hope—listen in as Jen and Heather go deep, get real, and remind us that freedom is possible, no matter how long you’ve struggled. Jen Lilley's story of her 15-year battle with bulimia will encourage your faith and help you find your own healing and recovery through Jesus.

**Why Listen?**

- Hear the *real story* behind Jen’s journey through bulimia—far beyond Hollywood glitz
- Find hope and faith-based encouragement for overcoming shame and secret struggles
- Learn about the difference between conviction and shame—and why it matters for true healing
- Be inspired by Jen’s hard-won lessons: how vulnerability and trust can unlock your path to freedom

Don’t miss this episode—it could be the reminder you or a loved one needs that hope and healing *are possible*.

**Resources Mentioned**
- Jen’s new devotional: Wake Up Your Faith (amazon affiliate link -tiny portion of your purchase supports this ministry)
- 40-Day Journey at improvebodyimage.com

Tune in now and share this powerful conversation with someone who needs it!

 

Transcript

Disclaimer: This transcript is AI-generated and has not been edited for accuracy or clarity.

 

Jen Lilley [00:00:02]:

Life Audio. And what's crazy is the whole time I did love Jesus and I knew my worth.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:00:14]:

Hey friends, that's Jen Lilly. You might recognize her from the Hallmark Channel or Christmas movies on Great American Family, but she's my guest today on the Compare to you podcast. This is Heather Creekmore. I'm glad you're listening. Jen has so much to share with us today. You may know her from the Academy Award winning best picture, the Artist, or you might know her from Days of our Lives, General Hospital, Grey's Anatomy, Castle, Chicago Med. ICarly. I know we're from the Christmas movies.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:00:43]:

In fact, I just watched one where she was with Nathan from When Calls the Heart called. I think it was a winter holiday or winter love story, something like that. Anyway, I was interested in having Jen on. She got pitched to me because she has a brand new book. But I didn't realize until I started looking more into who Jen was and what she was about how deep her faith was and how she has a story of a 15 year eating disorder that God healed through her recognition of really some idols in her life, some trust things she had going on. And it just seemed to be a match with everything we talk about here on this podcast. I think you're going to be surprised how this episode goes. We talk about, you know, just her career and such at the beginning, but then we go deep and you're really going to appreciate Jen's perspective on grace and what really set her free was not what you might expect.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:01:42]:

So stick with it till the end because there's a lot of good stuff there. Hey, if you're looking for freedom this year, if you're tired of struggling with body image and food and all the things, join us on a 40 day journey. We just started last week, but you can still join us. It's not too late to sign up. You can watch the replays. Learn [email protected] look for the 40 Day Journey tab. We'd love to have you. Jen Lily, welcome to the Compare to you podcast.

 

Jen Lilley [00:02:22]:

Thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited to get into all the things.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:02:27]:

Well, I'm super excited because like I'm fangirling here. I love me a good Jen Lilly movie. Body image issues and comparison and you know, does she have any story there? And your publicist was like, yes, she does.

 

Jen Lilley [00:02:42]:

I love it.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:02:43]:

So I was like, then this is a perfect fit. So I'm excited for us to go deep today, but I first want to just like let's start with the fluffy stuff, the stuff that everyone wants to know. You have been acting for a number of years now. Most of my audience probably knows you from Hallmark or have you started doing movies with Great American Family?

 

Jen Lilley [00:03:06]:

Yeah, I was the first person you were. I helped start Great American Family. Oh, that's incredible. Movies with both.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:03:12]:

Okay.

 

Jen Lilley [00:03:13]:

I'm friendly with everyone.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:03:16]:

I love it, I love it. But you've been in a number of things that I think people would recognize. How did you get started acting?

 

Jen Lilley [00:03:24]:

Oh, my goodness. It is totally fluffy stuff. Basically the nutshell version, because we want to get into it. The nutshell version was I'm stage fright. And so. And I also grew up in a fairly small town, like, you know, suburban, rural. And I didn't think that I wanted to be an actor. I auditioned for a independent film that was shooting in Charlottesville.

 

Jen Lilley [00:03:53]:

I went to University of Virginia, There were open call auditions and I, whatever, dared myself to do it and booked the female lead, got on set and I was like, oh, I'm not afraid of the camera. I love storytelling and I think that people who are involved in film are really cool. They're very artistic, but they also have lives. That's not to say theater kids don't have lives. I'm not trying to like diss theater guys. I think theater's cool. I respect it. I acknowledge that it's not my forte.

 

Jen Lilley [00:04:22]:

I think it's definitely a skill. So like, please don't get offended. But, you know, it's not my thing. So I really prayed about it and felt like the holy spirit was like, yes, I want you to become an actress. So I studied the business of acting for two years. I did end up getting a degree in drama, but at eva, that's mainly like lighting, sound. I did a lot of production, stage management, things like that, technical stuff. But outside I took acting classes from a director who had moved to Charlottesville.

 

Jen Lilley [00:04:52]:

It's very long winded. Anyway, I studied the business of acting, made an eight year plan, moved to la, ate rice and, and eggs for seven months because I was like so poor. Lived with the roaches, had to like tape up my rice that I got from Costco for $6.36. You know, I had rice for seven months and taped it because I had so many roaches that if I didn't put in a sterilite container with tape, it would be a situation. So I've lived it. I. I made basically a promise to not turn around from Hollywood until I gave myself a seven year plan.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:26]:

Okay.

 

Jen Lilley [00:05:27]:

And that's How I got started.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:29]:

And your big break was general hospital.

 

Jen Lilley [00:05:31]:

I don't know, because a lot of parallel things happened in. In 2011, which was my fourth year, which is generally when people leave.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:39]:

Okay.

 

Jen Lilley [00:05:39]:

Fourth year is a lot of people have breakthrough, and a lot of people leave right before their breakthrough. And. Interesting.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:45]:

Interesting.

 

Jen Lilley [00:05:46]:

If you're, like, working hard. I mean, I was a hustler, and I was an excel sheet queen. Like, I cut notes on everybody that I met.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:52]:

Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:05:53]:

Where did I meet them? What did I do? How did the audition go? How do you know? Like, crazy. Copiousness. I booked the artist, which ended up winning the academy award for best picture, and it was nominated for 10 at 1, 5 at the same time. Before the artist came out, though, I had already booked general hospital, so it's kind of like they were in tandem. 2011 was a good year. I did recurring on iCarly. I had all these things that happened in 2011, but sure, general hospital is pretty much what put me on the map. Yeah.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:23]:

Okay. So you were already a believer.

 

Jen Lilley [00:06:25]:

Yes.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:26]:

So you're going into a dark place. Assault and light.

 

Jen Lilley [00:06:30]:

Yes.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:31]:

And you kind of had. I don't know. Was it a secret, your eating disorder?

 

Jen Lilley [00:06:35]:

Absolutely. Not a secret anymore. Yeah. So I was bulimic for 15 years. I was bulimic before I went to L. A. I had eating disorder issues probably from the age of 13. Just because.

 

Jen Lilley [00:06:52]:

So we'll just go, like, we'll just start on a. You interrupt me at any point.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:55]:

Okay, go for it.

 

Jen Lilley [00:06:56]:

I'll, like, start. Start at the beginning.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:59]:

Please do.

 

Jen Lilley [00:07:01]:

So. First of all, I would say if anybody is watching this interview, if anybody knows who I am and you've seen me, and you're still struggling with an eating disorder or this is a situation for you, I want to give you, like, a funny story caveat. Okay. I do not have an eating disorder anymore. I'm a very tiny person. When. So we're going to kind of go all over the timeline, but I'm assuming most of your listeners are women, and women are very good at, like, keeping up with the hoppity hops. You go.

 

Jen Lilley [00:07:33]:

By the time my parents knew I had an eating disorder, I was 15. Okay. When I was 15 years old, my mom bought me Lisa bevere's book, you are not what you weigh. It's actually a great book. Started reading it. It was kind of changing my. My tone. Like, I was.

 

Jen Lilley [00:07:48]:

I was struggling a little bit with anorexia. I was just struggling with eating issues.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:07:52]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:07:53]:

Then I saw Lisa Bevere. Lisa Knows this. So Lisa and I have since become friends as of two years ago. She is, like, my favorite human. I literally make fun of myself to her and John all the time. Like, I don't know how you don't have a restraining order against me. Like, I am their biggest fan. Like, I am hard, hardcore fangirl over John and Lisa Bevere.

 

Jen Lilley [00:08:12]:

I love it for a very long time. So the fact that they let me be friends, I'm always like, this is kind of amazing. Love it. So I'm not friends with Lisa yet. I'm 15. This is a thousand years ago. 41. I'm reading her book.

 

Jen Lilley [00:08:26]:

I see a photo of her, and Lisa knows the story, and I'm like, ew, this woman's a liar. This woman's peddling book sales. She definitely still has an eating disorder because she's thin. Thin. Okay. She's thin. She's fit. Like, I was like, you are selling books.

 

Jen Lilley [00:08:42]:

Like, you're peddling books. So I didn't. I, like, put Lisa away, and I started listening to John Bevere. Later in life, we'll get into that. Maybe, maybe not. But, like, they're awesome.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:08:50]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:08:51]:

So I'm like, no, John, I was a fan of you. I was not Lisa. I thought Lisa was a book peddler. She's totally not. She's totally not anorexic. She has no eating disorder. Now, but the reason I believed that was because I had been sold the lie out of good intention. And not just good intention.

 

Jen Lilley [00:09:12]:

Misinformation and good intention paired together. I have been told over and over and over again that once you have an eating disorder, your metabolism is shot. You can never repair it. So that's that. So when I saw Lisa, I'm like, oh, she's thin, but she had an eating disorder. So. So she's a liar. So if you're watching me and you're like, oh, she's thin and she's tiny, and she's selling the fact that she's selling a book and she's an actress, and, you know, but she's lying because she's thin.

 

Jen Lilley [00:09:43]:

Let me just dispel the myth. God is amazing, and he can and will heal your metabolism. You also have to do the work, and it's not fun. But I do want to say, like, that's a lie from the pit of hell. Your bodies are made to heal themselves. Like, God made our bodies so good. It's. It's really amazing.

 

Jen Lilley [00:10:00]:

Okay, now knowing that whole preface now that, like, you can maybe accept that I'M still tiny even though I haven't for like ever. Okay, so I'm 13. I was a ballerina. Dance was my life. Like my life. I did Paris Christmas Waltz a couple years ago and bald every single day because I had put dance away because of what I'm about to tell you. So it was like very healing for me to do that movie.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:10:24]:

Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:10:25]:

Dance was my life. I still love it to this day. I. I wish I could be a dancer. Like, if dancing on stars wants to have me on, I will pedal the story and get the. So I. At the same time, like most girls on average, I started my period when I was 12. I had extremely painful periods.

 

Jen Lilley [00:10:46]:

I have had two children completely unmedicated. So I know what natural childbirth feels like. I will tell you, my periods were more painful than natural childbirth.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:10:58]:

Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:10:59]:

Because I had cysts that were so large that they would rupture. One time when I was 19, my ovary torqued. Like it turned over like, and. And I was. This is no shame to anybody. This is my own story. I was a virgin till I was married. So I had a doctor had to go up with his hand and manually twist my ovary so that it would not atrophy.

 

Jen Lilley [00:11:23]:

I don't know how he did it because like, of weight the way tubes are, but it was a situation and it was crazy painful. I'm talking I had a five hour morphine drip and the pain did not drop below a 10.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:11:34]:

Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:11:35]:

So when I say I had painful periods, I'm talking literally I'm vomiting and blacking out. Like my body blacks out. That's how painful my periods are.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:11:44]:

Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:11:45]:

So that's 1998. We're in a year. 1997. 1998, I'm 1996. I'm 12. 1997, I'm 13. My mom is like, I can't watch my daughter be like this anymore. This is unbelievable.

 

Jen Lilley [00:12:00]:

There were heavy periods. I mean, there was all sorts of issues going on. So in 1997, at least to my knowledge, at least in Roanoke, Virginia, where I'm from, there was no known to me low dose birth control. So I was put on a birth control in order to basically regulate my hormones so that these cysts would stop. And as a. Oh my gosh, what is it called? Like an effect, a side effect of that hormone therapy. I gained 60 pounds in one year. Wow.

 

Jen Lilley [00:12:32]:

Okay. So I went from 112. I remember I was 112. Just. I don't remember why I remember that. Like, it wasn't an eating Disorder thing. I just remember being like, at first it was 12, and I was like, really proud that it was 112. Because when you're 12, you're still kind of like, I'm taller than you.

 

Jen Lilley [00:12:47]:

And like, so I'm older than you by a day, so I'm cooler. Right? Right. I was 112. I was like solid string bean muscle. I go up to like 170 in the course of like a one semester. Wow. My dance teacher, which was painful. It's not.

 

Jen Lilley [00:13:08]:

It's. It's painful to gain that much weight. I had stretch marks. All the things my dance teacher in front of my mom says, orders me an adult large. No. Excuse me? Yes. Orders me an adult large. I was a child large still because I'm only 5 2.

 

Jen Lilley [00:13:23]:

My mom's like, she goes into the dance teacher. She's literally like, what the hell is this? Like, she's like a mama bear. Like, what is this about? And the dance teacher in front of me says, Ms. Lily, at the rate that your daughter's gaining weight, she'll fit into it by the recital. That was two weeks away. So that was kind of like, oh, this is something everybody is noticing. I have to take care of this. So I started kind of with anorexia.

 

Jen Lilley [00:13:51]:

Tried. I wasn't good at it. I was being told my metabolism be wrecked forever. But anorexia was hard for me because from the south, my mom's a great cook. And my parents never intentionally raised us. They were really actually intentional about not raising us to be emotional eaters. But we are 100%. Lilies are emotional eaters.

 

Jen Lilley [00:14:12]:

Like 100%. We're Southern. So that wasn't working out too well for me. Anorexia. So finally, when I was 15, I discovered bulimia. I thought I could never do it. Tried enough, finally had a gag reflex. Did that.

 

Jen Lilley [00:14:30]:

Felt convicted about it. Went to my parents, went to my mom, told her it was not a good reaction, but it wasn't a bad reaction either. I want to give my parents a lot of grace because I'm a parent and I've done a lot of things wrong as a parent. And sometimes parents reactions are because they're so upset, they don't know how to handle it right. So my mom sometimes had eating disorders at different stages of her life. So I think for her, she just felt like, you know, she was a failure and she wasn't. It wasn't her fault that any of this happened. But there was a lot of.

 

Jen Lilley [00:15:07]:

Because I love my parents. There was a lot of their reaction was like, well, what have we done that we're such bad parents that would you have any eating disorder? And, you know, and they were kind of crying. My mom was crying, which is a fine reaction, but it was more like, how. How could this happen? I'm such a bad mom. And because I am an empathetic person, and I wanted her to feel better. It was kind of like, oh, I'll just say that I'm better. I went to a counselor who was very expensive. It was over a hundred dollars an hour, like, in the 90s, which is a lot.

 

Jen Lilley [00:15:42]:

It's a lot now, but, like, it's a lot in the 90s. It'd be like $400 now. And, you know, my. I'm one of four kids. Like, we pretty much single family income. My mom had side jobs. But, like, that's a lot of money.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:15:54]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:15:55]:

And the counselor was stupid. I mean, literally awful. I have no problem saying that. Worst counselor ever. I would go in there and literally be like, I know exactly why I have an eating disorder. Like, I'm bullied at school. Like, I. My boyfriend broke up with me.

 

Jen Lilley [00:16:09]:

Like, these are the things I want to talk about. And he would literally say stuff like, if you get off a horse, like, no, no, no, we don't have to talk about that. Let's do a worksheet. Okay. If you follow the horse, you have to get back on. So how many times did you purge this week? And it was like, okay, can we just. Can we talk about, like, the root issue here? It's like, if we talk about the root issue, I promise you I'm going to get better. He'd be like, I'm a counselor.

 

Jen Lilley [00:16:31]:

You're not. So finally, I just told my parents I was better because I knew it was a financial strain at the time. And so I just started hiding it. I got really, really good at hiding my bulimia. And what's crazy is, the whole time, I did love Jesus. And I knew my worth. Yeah, I knew my worth as, like, a spirit. I just was so upset.

 

Jen Lilley [00:17:02]:

And, you know, I'm sure every listener that has an eating disorder has body issues. And, you know, I don't know your own personal testimony, but addiction is. Addiction is. Addiction is addiction. It doesn't matter whether it's drugs, doesn't matter whether it's alcohol. It doesn't matter whether it's an eating disorder. There's a dopamine reaction that's happening. It's the same thing, social media addiction.

 

Jen Lilley [00:17:26]:

And I would wager to say that most addicts fall into addiction, myself included, because they feel like their whole life is out of control and they want to fix it and they don't know how. And so they feel like it's something that they can control, even though the addiction is actually controlling them. It's this weird. I want control. I need control because my life is out of control, but this thing is controlling me. Like, shame cycle from hell.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:18:02]:

Absolutely.

 

Jen Lilley [00:18:04]:

And I felt like I would never get out of it. It just kind of was like I had resolved that. Like, this is my life now. I can't stop because then I'll be fat, which, like, who really cares, actually? But because I had been heavier, I don't carry weight very well. And I don't mean that like, I don't mean that like, body image wise. What I mean by that is, like, I am tiny. I have, like, the littlest bones you've ever seen in your life. Like, I am a frail person to carry, like, 170 pounds on my frame.

 

Jen Lilley [00:18:37]:

Literally hurts, like, when I would run, like, it hurt like, it hurts. My knees hurt. Like, my hips hurt. My back hurt. Like, I hurt all the time. So I kind of just thought, all right, well, Jesus's blood covers this and it'll be fine. You know, I would go up to altar calls in church all the time for healing because I 100% believe in healing. I today, I believe God still heals.

 

Jen Lilley [00:19:12]:

I believe he always wants to heal. I believe what the Bible says. The Bible says by Jesus's stripes, we are healed. It also says by Jesus's stripes, we were healed. And it also says that it is finished. And it also says that everything that ever needed to be done was completed and provided for by Jesus on the cross. I have seen from my own personal life, I don't know how many miracles I've seen where cancer has disappeared. I'm talking the person is dying.

 

Jen Lilley [00:19:38]:

They go get an. I pray for them. Another scan. They are clear. Medically documented. I have in the past year, not medically documented. To me. To my knowledge, I don't know these people.

 

Jen Lilley [00:19:49]:

But I have witnessed in the same room twice in the past year, two people get out of wheelchairs.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:19:56]:

Love it. Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:19:57]:

So I know God still heals. Yeah. I would go to altar calls or healing and feel like I was laying down my eating disorder, wanted to get healed, but didn't. And I want to clarify that and camp out here for a second. There are many times, There are many testimonies. They're pretty amazing. You should go look Them up. I've also seen this happen with my own eyes, talk to these people with my own mouth, where they were maybe drunk, stoned, high, out of their mind, whatever.

 

Jen Lilley [00:20:35]:

They go to an altar call, and they are immediately, immediately brought into their sobriety and they lose all desire. That can happen. That is what I wanted. I wanted a quick fix. Yeah, right, because same thing with bulimia for me. I hate working out. I still hate working out, you guys. Thankfully, I have four children I have to chase after.

 

Jen Lilley [00:20:58]:

And I eat. I literally loathe working out. I like hiking, but, like, hiking is like tricking me. Working out, right? On a walk with friends, you're talking. I'm like, not a gym rat. I have been before, but it is never my desire to work out. I absolutely loathe it. So I like easy way out.

 

Jen Lilley [00:21:17]:

I like, eat whatever I want, get the comfort out of it, throw it up. That was a very easy cycle for me. Nobody knew. But there's guilt and shame. So I think that sometimes, while God can will and sometimes does heal people immediately from their addiction, I think because God is a good father, more times than not, he does not heal you immediately because Jesus already provided healing on the cross. What he does instead is he's like, doors open, honey. But you have to walk it out with him. You have to repent.

 

Jen Lilley [00:21:54]:

You have to make daily decisions, sometimes hourly decisions to no longer do the same behavior. Now, listen, I was bulimic for 15 years, you guys. I know when you heard that if you were still struggling, you're like, I hate this girl. This is bs and easier said than done. I've been there. I'm with you. I feel you. So understand that sentiment that you are just like, screw you generally.

 

Jen Lilley [00:22:25]:

You're full of crap. You and Lisa Bevere peddled in yourself. Anyway. Just kidding. At least it's awesome. And hopefully you think I'm awesome, but. Okay, so this is how, like, it got to me. I want so many altar calls.

 

Jen Lilley [00:22:37]:

It's all in hiding. I was so good at hiding my bulimia. I was so good at hiding it. Nobody knew. My own husband didn't know. We'll get into that however many years later, right? Like maybe 14. I was bulimic for 15 years. Probably around year 14.

 

Jen Lilley [00:22:57]:

Let me think. When did I. No, you know, even like, year 2007. So I stopped being bulimic, probably. I started walking out of the prison around 2016. Okay, 2007. I remember. I'm listening to this amazing preacher teacher.

 

Jen Lilley [00:23:13]:

I don't know what you Call him. He's a teacher. He's not really a pastor. His name. He's an author. He's awesome. His name is Graham Cook. I love him.

 

Jen Lilley [00:23:21]:

If you listen to anything by Graham Cook, I swear, you will feel like you just got hugged and you're convicted at the same time. Most loving, gentle guy ever. Like, he's so great. And he operates in a lot of miracles and things like this. Again, I still believe in miracles. That's how I got saved. I got saved at 9 because I heard the story of Elijah and was like, how did the Holy Spirit work like that. If you really read the Bible, like, it's pretty wild.

 

Jen Lilley [00:23:48]:

Like, I know we're not one of the 12 disciples, but God intends us to walk like they did. And people got healed in Peter's shadow. Like, that is bizarre, crazy, amazing to me. And I had gotten to a season of my life in 2007, nine years before. You know, gosh, this timeline is not making sense. Let me think about this. So in I turned in. I was 15 in 1999, in 2007.

 

Jen Lilley [00:24:15]:

That's eight years later. Okay, 1999, I guess. Well, I guess I had an eating disorder for a long time. I started being bulimic at 17. There we go. I was like, why do I know it's 15 years? Okay, ignore me, guys. Sorry. I just myself at the same time, because I'm like, let me say something that's not unsubstantiated.

 

Jen Lilley [00:24:39]:

Anyway, doesn't matter. 20 2007, 2008. I am listening to a lot of Graham Cook, and I'm thinking, gosh, I would really like to move in the power of God. But I know that the enemy, the devil, I do think he's real. I don't think everything that attacks you is Satan himself. That's not biblically accurate. But he has a lot of demons, and he has a lot of, like, dark spirits. So I don't know.

 

Jen Lilley [00:25:02]:

I would just call them all the devil. Now that we have our definitions in order, I was kind of like, the accuser. That's what the Bible calls him. The accuser is basically has that over me. You can't operate in miracles and signs and wonders because you are bulimic. Like, you whatever. So I just kind of had it in the back of my head, like, I would really like to get rid of this, because then he would have nothing that, like, he could, like, hold against me. Really.

 

Jen Lilley [00:25:23]:

There's no, like, lifestyle that I'm, like, struggling with. I thought that for a long time. Okay. 2015ish. 14 years into bulimia, I started listening to a lot of John Bevere. John Bevere is very open about the fact that he was addicted to pornography before he got married and early on into his marriage. And I really related to John Bevere's addiction because he was like. When I would tell people, they would say, well, John, just throw out your dirty magazines and your tapes.

 

Jen Lilley [00:25:57]:

And he was like, you don't understand. I can close my eyes and play the tape. I can see a naked woman. I can see sex all day long in my mind. My prison is in my mind. People will say that to you when you have an eating disorder. Like, we'll just stop throwing up. And you're like, it doesn't work like that.

 

Jen Lilley [00:26:16]:

My metabolic. Like, my metabolism is a little bit shot right now. But more than my metabolism, it's like my body does not know how to fully process this thing. Thing, right? Because I have not been processing, like, a full meal for 15 years. Like, my gut is all over the place. Like, this is scary.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:26:34]:

It's scary to think about swallowing, keeping.

 

Jen Lilley [00:26:36]:

All that food in the calories, you know? Oh, my gosh. We get into so many gross things that we do when we're bulimic, like, ooh, eating ice cream, because that makes it feel better when you throw up, you know, like, takes the burn away, like, all these disgusting things that you do that I did. So I was listening to John Bevere, and he's talking about how it's an addiction. I was talking about how he got free of it. And that, for me, was, like, kind of the first. Like, okay, the key has been put in your, like, prison cell. I always kind of visualized my eating disorder spiritually as, like, I'm in this prison cell nobody knows I'm in, and I don't think I'm ever gonna get out of it. And I know Jesus provided the key, but, like, I can't find my way out.

 

Jen Lilley [00:27:20]:

I can't get out of this thing. So awful. So I felt like John listening to John Bevere was like, keys in the door. I hear it, like, click. And I'm like, okay, this is interesting. At the same time, I'm listening to a lot of Graham Cook. I'm listening to a lot of people, and I'm really, like, frustrated that I'm not spiritually moving in signs of wonders. I'm, like, righteously jealous for the things of the Lord, things of spirit.

 

Jen Lilley [00:27:43]:

And then I. So I start. I told, like, two of my girlfriends who are Christian and They're awesome, but they love me. Right. And they also have been sold the well intentioned but slippery slope. I don't want to call it a lie, that's too strong of word. But like misinformation. Ms.

 

Jen Lilley [00:28:07]:

The misapplied theology maybe.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:28:10]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:28:10]:

That a lot of us have adopted because it's comfortable that it's okay to sin. Because Jesus's blood covers that. All good lies are bathed in a lot of truth. There's a lot of truth to that statement. There's a lot of lies. The Bible says that. Yes. Jesus's blood covers all sin.

 

Jen Lilley [00:28:31]:

Jesus died for every single person. He died for me. I deserve death. I deserve it. I deserve it. Like if you've, and it even says like if you've sinned one sin, you're guilty of committing them all. So like we shouldn't judge other people. Like I 100% do not deserve to go to heaven because it is not about my righteousness.

 

Jen Lilley [00:28:52]:

It's not about my good works. I've done a lot of good for the world. I'm very into philanthropy. But Jesus's righteousness, God's standards are so much higher than us that he had to send Jesus himself.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:29:04]:

Amen.

 

Jen Lilley [00:29:05]:

And Jesus also, guys, just to like camp here for a second. Jesus. This is so encouraging. Jesus was not the plan B. Jesus was plan A. Yeah, God knew. It says, it says it's in the Bible all over the place. Three places I could cite you right now.

 

Jen Lilley [00:29:18]:

Revelation, I think First Peter, maybe Colossians. Okay. I think Isaiah. Like it's throughout the Bible. Yeah, it says in so many words. This is straight from Revelation though. Before the foundations of the world were laid, the lamb was already slain. Which means because God exists outside of time, time was a concept that God.

 

Jen Lilley [00:29:42]:

Time was a top, a concept and almost like a dimensional concept. If you want to get like the physics and stuff like that. I love science. I won't like go too nerdy on you guys. But like time is a construct that the Lord created on our behalf. God exists outside of time. The best analogy I've ever heard for that is by John Burke, Dr. John Burke.

 

Jen Lilley [00:30:03]:

He says that think of time like this. When you are viewing a parade and you are sitting on a corner, you can see the parade that's about to come. You can see the parade act that's right in front of you. And you can look to your other side and you can see the parade that just passed you. You can see all three time periods at the same time. What is to come? What's here what's already come. That's kind of how God views the earth, like he is outside of time. A wise builder, Jesus uses a parable of a wise builder builds his house not on the sand, but on rock.

 

Jen Lilley [00:30:41]:

A wise builder, Jesus says, calculates the cost before he sits down and builds a project, lest he be ridiculed by onlookers. Who is the wisest builder? Of course it's the Lord. It's God Almighty himself. He totally counted the cost. He totally knew. Just makes me cry because it's so. It's like, if you really can grasp it, the love of God is so ridiculous. He knew before he ever formed the earth that Adam and Eve were gonna sin and that we wouldn't be held to the standard and that Jesus was gonna have to die.

 

Jen Lilley [00:31:21]:

Because if you've never heard the gospel, this is all true, guys. Like, the wages of sin is death. That's what Romans says. But you see it right in Genesis chapter three. The first time sin ever entered the world. God had to kill an animal in order to cover Adam and Eve's sin. Because blood is the payment, death is the payment for sin. So there was a sacrificial system that was set up where animals would die in our stead.

 

Jen Lilley [00:31:47]:

But an animal's blood is never going to be enough. So Jesus had to die himself. And when I really think about amazes me because it's like, who is man that you would man? I mean by when I say man, that's a Bible verse. I mean men and women.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:32:04]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:32:05]:

Who is humanity, Lord? What is so special about us that you need a relationship with us? You crave a relationship with us. That your life feels so incomplete without us, that you would create a world that you knew was going to turn against you and do all sorts of evil from the beginning to the end of the earth. We were going to do evil. There is so much evil in the world today. And you decided to do it anyway. And you knew that you yourself would pay the price because you wanted to have a relationship with us. That is the value that we hold to the Lord. I cannot fully understand that.

 

Jen Lilley [00:32:42]:

I can only understand it in part, but it makes me weep every time. Like. And Jesus's death was so excruciating. They've been studying the Shroud of Turin for forever, right? There was a recent discovery in the Shroud of Turin that one of Jesus's eyes was fully pulled out before he even went to the cross, because it got stuck on one of the cat of nine tails. And it Was ripped out. It said he was so deformed by the time he got to the cross, stripped naked, guys, that they could not tell whether he was a man or a woman. Like, he had been mutilated to the point where, like, he is genderless now. And he did that for us.

 

Jen Lilley [00:33:20]:

Yeah, and he knew and he did it for us. He didn't even. He let it happen. He knew. It's amazing. So it says, I believe it's in Colossians. I would have to, like, confirm that. But like, anything I say, God, it's.

 

Jen Lilley [00:33:35]:

I mean, guys, it's in. It's in the Bible. Go look it up yourself. Like, what. I know what I'm saying. I know what I'm quoting is in there. Whether it's in Colossians or Corinthians, it does not matter. It says that it might even be Hebrews.

 

Jen Lilley [00:33:54]:

If you know that your sin is sin and you keep on doing it, then you nullify the blood of Jesus. You make his sacrifice not able to cover you. And furthermore, it says that you continually crucify him. You put him back on that cross over and over. You demand that he die over and over and over for you, because you are too selfish. And I'm saying I am too selfish. I'm not trying to point my finger, guys. I'm pointing my finger at my own self.

 

Jen Lilley [00:34:25]:

This was the conversations and the reality. That's true. That I had to come to understand. It wasn't that his blood would cover me. Yeah, his blood will cover me, but I have to repent. If I don't repent, then I don't know that. Like, I don't. This is, generally speaking, based on my interpretation of Scriptures as far as I have ever been to study.

 

Jen Lilley [00:34:51]:

I would so love to be wrong. So this. I want to just put a caveat that, like, this is me. I truly believe that if I had died while I was bulimic, I don't know that I would have gone to heaven. I don't know. I'm not the judge. God is super merciful. But I also was very much abusing his grace and his ability to cover me by his blood.

 

Jen Lilley [00:35:21]:

So I had two girlfriends, I tell. And they're like, oh, Jen, don't worry about that. The grace covers you. And I remember, literally, like, one of them, I was on a hike and I was like, please, I feel like I'm about to say, step out of this. Could you just stop talking? Because I don't want you to talk me out. Like, I'm at the Door. I'm at the door. Like, please don't.

 

Jen Lilley [00:35:38]:

Please don't tell me. Like, don't. Like, don't lull me back to sleep. Like, don't push me back into this prison by telling me that, like, his grace covers me. Like, let's just end this conversation. Let's talk about something else. Then I'm in this church service, and my pastor says, and this is Romans 14:23. I've since found it in the Bible verbatim.

 

Jen Lilley [00:36:01]:

He said, the best definition I can come up with for sin is trusting in anything more than you trust in the Lord. That's actually what Romans 14:23 says. Romans 14:23, based on your translation, says, anything that does not proceed from trust is sin. And in that moment, I realized, like, oh, okay, bulimia is a sin. I was so grateful. I felt like a pressure was just released off of me because somebody finally told it to me straight. And I just want to say, like, as somebody that's totally an evangelist at heart, we so often don't tell other people about Jesus because of our own comfort or wanting people's approval. And at the same time, I think most people, when they're ready to make a decision, just want somebody to tell it to them straight.

 

Jen Lilley [00:37:01]:

Like, it's very loving as long as you bathe it in love and not, like, judgment. Like, let me tell it to you straight. Like, there is no hope outside of Jesus.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:37:11]:

Right? Right.

 

Jen Lilley [00:37:12]:

We're not good enough, guys.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:37:14]:

Yeah, right.

 

Jen Lilley [00:37:16]:

It says, my righteousness. It says in the Bible, my righteousness is like filthy rags to the Lord. Filthy rags are the cloth they would use to wipe themselves after they use the restroom or to clot their blood during their periods. That is what the Lord thinks about our righteousness. He's proud of us when we co labor with him. He's proud of the philanthropy that I have done that pleases him because he loves people. But the minute I think, aren't I amazing because of all these great humanitarian works I do, the Lord's like, gross. I was recently.

 

Jen Lilley [00:37:51]:

I'm going to get off subject for a second. Makes me laugh. And I apologize in advance because sometimes I'm too transparent and I say things and I'm like, maybe I shouldn't say that. But whatever. I'm a transparent person, and you either like me or you don't. It's just okay, you know, I'm 41. I'm over it. I was recently kind of bamboozled into being a judge at the Mist.

 

Jen Lilley [00:38:13]:

Virginia, like, primary.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:38:16]:

Okay.

 

Jen Lilley [00:38:17]:

It was A situation had bid on me. It sounds so brutal at a charity event to have a dinner with me. And they bamboozle me into to like, becoming a judge at this pageant. And pageants are not my thing. They make me very sad. Especially as somebody that used to have an eating disorder. I know the girl. Some girls that do pageants, I.

 

Jen Lilley [00:38:37]:

I'm gonna be honest, like, I don't. I'm not them. Some of them love it. And if you love it and you love pageants, like, that's so great. I'm so happy for you that you found something you love. But me as Jen Lilly, usually it just makes me really sad because it's like, do you know that you're amazing? I don't know, like, do you know that you have worth? Do you know that, like, this is much more than a beauty pageant. Like, just makes me a little bit, like, cringy. And I was watching this girl in, doing her talent, and I had this like, moment where I was watching her and I was like, oh my gosh, this must be how the Lord feels about our righteous acts.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:39:15]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:39:16]:

Because she was so proud of herself and she was like, trained on all the right poses and like, like the most aggressive smiling and like, so proud of herself. Like, and she was saying whatever her speech was, was like, my name's blah, blah, blah, and I've done this, this, that and that. And aren't. I'm like, thank you. You know, and it was like, it was like she was trained to do what people are going to give her high marks for. But all I thought was like, oh my gosh, this month, like, this is a really weird out of body spiritual experience where I feel like, that must be how the Lord feels when we parade our righteousness before him. Where he's like, what? Like, that's not why I like you. I like you because you're my child.

 

Jen Lilley [00:39:57]:

I don't like, good. Like, if you, you know, you accomplished all those things, I'm proud of you. But like, that's like build relationship. That's a resume and I don't like it. Like.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:40:06]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:40:07]:

So anyway, so I realized that bulimia was a sin. And I realized in that moment I'm trusting tons of things other than God. And I will say on the other side of my eating disorder, that's still the plumb line. That's still the test for me. What am I trusting right now more than I'm trusting in God? I'll give you a current example. I don't have an acting job right now. I have four kids. This is the first time since I've ever had kids that I've not had a contract.

 

Jen Lilley [00:40:38]:

I've not had jobs lined up. This is the first time I'm not a series regular. This is the first time I'm not under contract to a specific network. And it's a little bit scary. And at the same time, I'm like, well, that's dumb, Jen. Like, why are you worried? Jesus said, who can add a moment to their life by worrying, right? Jesus said, seek first the kingdom of God and its righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Jesus says, we're worth more than the sparrows and the pharaohs. And we are worth more than the pharaohs, the sparrows, and the lilies.

 

Jen Lilley [00:41:20]:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. We're worth more than that to him. And he says, don't be, like the unrighteous. That's a pagan thing to worry about. What you'll wear, what you eat. Don't you know I'm a good father? Like, don't you know your father in heaven is going to provide for you? And also, no one's ever been like, there are so many promises in the Bible.

 

Jen Lilley [00:41:40]:

If you take care of widows and orphans, which is like, my flipping mo. God's not gonna, like, withhold from you. He's not gonna be like, sucker, you should not have given that large of a donation. Gotcha. You know? But it was like I was in prayer, and I was like. And I had to ask myself, like, right, Because I was feeling a little anxious about it, like. Like, what are we gonna do, Lord? Like, where? You know? And he's just like, don't you want to be in my perfect will? Like, I got plans for you. Like, I'm not gonna make.

 

Jen Lilley [00:42:10]:

I'm gonna make sure your kids have food. You can pay your electric bill. Like, don't worry. What are you trusting right now? Yep. You're trusting your own ability to hustle over me providing for you. That's dumb. You know? So I use this test for everything.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:42:25]:

I love it.

 

Jen Lilley [00:42:26]:

But in that sermon, I was sitting there and I was like, man, I'm trusting that by having an eating disorder, I'll stay thin. I'm trusting the lie that my metabolism is wrecked. I'm trusting that by being thin, I'll have a career. You know, I'm trusting all this garbage. I'm trusting garbage. And so I wasn't immediately healed, but I remember going home and thinking about it and being like. I remember in that moment being like, all Right. I'm not gonna throw up anymore.

 

Jen Lilley [00:43:00]:

Of course I did, guys. Of course I did for a while. But I hadn't told my husband, so because I believed that my husband would leave me. Like, I 100%, pretty much everybody had ever told I have an eating disorder. They had a very bad reaction, or they kind of just abandoned me on the play in some way, fashion or form. And my husband's very godly, which is why his reaction was amazing. But I just thought, like, he's gonna think, like, who's this sham, spirit filled girl who says she loves Jesus? Like, these are the lies. When you are in a shame cycle.

 

Jen Lilley [00:43:39]:

The Bible says that, like, the enemy, like Satan, comes as an accuser. He comes to steal, kill, and destroy. The difference between conviction and shame is that conviction, which some people mislabel as guilt. That guilty feeling you would have if it's from the Holy Spirit, it's called conviction. And it always brings about change. Because grace doesn't mean the ability, the free will to do anything. Grace actually means empowerment. God will ask you to do something, and then he will empower you to do it.

 

Jen Lilley [00:44:08]:

But you have to meet him halfway most of the time. There are exceptions. There are so many miraculous exceptions where, like, you didn't do anything and he just did it, you know, and that's awesome. Salvation is one of those. But I. I really thought, like, my husband's gonna leave me. Like, he's gonna be so upset that, like, I've lied to him all these years. He's not gonna.

 

Jen Lilley [00:44:34]:

He's gonna feel like I'm not saved. He's gonna, you know, all these lies that, like, I believed. Because if you feel guilt, then it condemns you and it doesn't bring about change. That's called shame. That's from the enemy.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:44:45]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:44:45]:

So I kept trying to do it on my own without telling my husband, but he's so sweet. And he would be like, he worked for Frito Lay and he'd be bringing back, like, bags of Cheetos. He'd be like, I got your favorite. Or like, jars of peanut butter or like, ice cream, you know, because he was like. He knew, like, all my favorite binge foods. And so to be sweet, he'd be like, look what I got you. And I'd be like, ah. Like, you know that.

 

Jen Lilley [00:45:10]:

Like, I can't. I can't handle that right now. Yeah. I just got to a point where I would repent and then, like, I would freak out. I would ask myself, like, here's how I walked out My repentance. I would constantly ask myself, what am I trusting more now that I'm trusting in God? Yeah. But I got to a point where I was so frustrated, where I was like, lord, I'm so close. Like, I'm so close.

 

Jen Lilley [00:45:38]:

I actually really want you more than I want this eating disorder. And as much as I love my acting career, like, lord, even if that ends because I'm fat and I don't get jobs, again, that's a lie. I'm trusting. There are many bigger actors who work and who care. Like, who cares doesn't even matter, you know? I finally told my husband. I was like, my husband's going to leave me. I had made up the decision, just thinking, all right, this is the day that, like, my husband's gonna leave me, but I'd rather be single and free and living in the Lord than, like, stuck in this prison. I can't.

 

Jen Lilley [00:46:16]:

I can't do one more day like this. So I remember I sat on my bed and I told my husband, like, I've been bulimic. I've been struggling with bulimia for this long. And my husband, who loves his grandfather but did not even cry when his grandfather died, like, this is a man that does not cry, burst into tears. And he said, I'm so sorry. That was his first words. I'm so sorry. I had no idea.

 

Jen Lilley [00:46:46]:

Like, how long has this been going on? I feel like such an idiot. And I'm like, you didn't know? I'm so good at hiding it. I've been hiding it since I was 17. Like. And so he just hugged me like, he had the Jesus reaction. Like, Jesus always runs toward brokenness. I told him every bit of my habits because it was basically like. Even though I didn't want to, right? It was like.

 

Jen Lilley [00:47:11]:

Because there's that part of the control that's like, I do want the option to be able to retreat back into this if I get fat or something. I don't think these are, like. These are, like, the arguments you're having at the time. And I was like, no, no, no. I gotta just. I gotta just expose it. I gotta expose all my life. I gotta expose.

 

Jen Lilley [00:47:26]:

Expose all of it. I got to put all of it in the light so that it cannot creep back into the darkness. Because things lose power when you put them in the light, right? So I told him, like, when you see this every time I'm showering at night, like, I am showering, but what I'm in there is, like, I'm not taking Long showers. I'm taking two minute showers. I'm in there, like, throwing up. But before I'm throwing up, I'm doing this, you know, because I don't want to throw up. And I'm mad at myself for like, doing this. I'm shame cycling myself.

 

Jen Lilley [00:47:55]:

If you see this, this is this. If you see this, this is. This is how. This is. These are all the things that I do. And the last thing I'll say is that during my recovery, I think I'd not been bulimic for like a good six months or something. Like a good six months to a year. So I've already, like, hit that pattern after 28 days.

 

Jen Lilley [00:48:15]:

I think your body, it's like 28 or 21 days for your body to like create a new brain pathway pattern and well beyond that. So stupid. But hopefully encourages somebody because it's true. I remember I ate a snack back, snack bag size of Cheetos, and I was sitting on my couch and I started freaking out because I was like, I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have done that. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get fat. Like, I don't know.

 

Jen Lilley [00:48:41]:

All the old lies came back up. Like, this is too many calories. This has, like, this has no nutritional value. Like, this is so bad. And I remember hearing the Holy Spirit in my spirit, immediately say to me, like, so gently, so kind, do you trust me? And I was like, yeah, like, lord, I do trust you. But I'm freaking out, guys. You can tell God you're freaking out. He.

 

Jen Lilley [00:49:02]:

He knows there is nothing that we can think or do that we could ever hide from him. He can read our thoughts. He can read all of it. Like, we're not that smart. And he's like, do you trust me? And so I remember I went to bed that night being like, I told Jason. So I ran and told Jason, my husband. I was like, I'm freaking out. I had a battle Cheetos.

 

Jen Lilley [00:49:21]:

But I am going to trust, like, the Lord asked me if I trust him. I'm going to trust him when I go to bed right now. But I'm freaking out. So, like, just. Can you just, like, just make sure I don't get up and like, go throw up? He's like, sure. So I go to bed, I wake up the next morning and I weighed myself, which I don't do anymore. And out of the kindness of the Lord. And this is not like a formula, just the kindness of the Lord, I had, like, lost two pounds, and I heard The Lord, when I remember when I saw the number and I heard the Lord say, see, you can trust me.

 

Jen Lilley [00:49:58]:

I know what you're scared of, Jen.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:50:00]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:50:01]:

Just keep walking this out with me.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:50:03]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:50:04]:

So it's amazing now because I'm probably like, seven solid, solid years, but, like, going on nine years of recovery. I remember the first two years, Thanksgiving and Christmas, I definitely purged, but I'm seven years, like, solid, solid. And it's interesting because now I can, like, very much eat the holiday cookies or cheesecake or, you know, things I love, and I can eat them in moderation. First of all, I'm no longer a member of the Clean Plate Club. That took me a long time to, you know, break. Like, children in China and Africa are not starving because I did not exercise. You know, like, save your leftovers. Like, don't force it.

 

Jen Lilley [00:50:45]:

That's a lot of. Where my eating disorder kind of was, like, grown into as well. Was like, being a Clean Plate club member and then feeling awful. But it's crazy to me that, like, I don't ever think, like, I should go throw up. Yeah. I never, never in my wildest dreams during recovery, thought I would get here.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:03]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:51:04]:

I just thought it'd be a daily decision for the rest of my life.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:07]:

Yeah.

 

Jen Lilley [00:51:08]:

So I've talked this whole interview. Sorry, guys. My voice is. I know. It's annoying.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:13]:

Not at all. Oh, Jen.

 

Jen Lilley [00:51:14]:

All right. No, it is. My voice is annoying.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:16]:

It's fine, actually.

 

Jen Lilley [00:51:18]:

Voiceover cartoons.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:20]:

No, it's amazing. I love that you shared all that with the authenticity that you did. Thank you for sharing your story, and I know it's going to touch someone. You also wrote an amazing book, and I don't want to leave that out. It's called wake up your faith. And here's the connection I'm seeing. Like, this is what you discover. This is what you just shared.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:46]:

This is, like, what my ministry is about. It's like, these issues of food and body, they're not about food, our body. They're about what we're trusting in. Like, what's our faith really? In fact, I'm writing a new book on faith, like, because of that. Because in all of my coaching, like, that's where we always come to. It's like, well, what do you really believe? Like, do you really believe that you're valuable only because of your, you know, body size? Or, like, what do you really believe? And so many of my women have all the God and Jesus answers, like you and I did.

 

Jen Lilley [00:52:16]:

Right.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:52:16]:

Like, we know the truth and we believe the truth, and yet walking in the truth is much more difficult. But I love that you wrote this book, wake up youp Faith. I've read many days of it. It's so good, Jen. It's so good. It's so fun. I highly encourage you, listeners, watchers, grab this book. It'll just encourage you day by day.

 

Jen Lilley [00:52:37]:

So it's a daily devotional is what it is. So it's like short little things you can read. Yeah.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:52:42]:

Yeah. It's so good. So check this book out. And Jen, thank you so much for being on the show today. And thank you for watching or listening. I hope so. Something today has helped you stop comparing and start living. The Comparison show is proud to be part of the Life Audio Podcast network from our great Christian podcast.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:52:58]:

Go to lifeaudio.com.